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Leese

should your right to bear arms as guarenteed by the constitution and the second ammendment .........

.....ever be violated by the government as was done to the people of new orleans ? and further, should the posi comitatis act , a provision that protected AMERICANS from the use of military against the AMERICAN people in any matter, as well as a instrument of stripping them of their gaurenteed 2nd ammendment rights, be reinstated?
GDW:

ABSOLUTLEY

Leese:

it should be violated? why ?

Kenny93101:

My vote. It was written in a time in which people actually needed guns. Ron Paul is an internet fad.

Leese:

we dont need them now? and ron paul is kicking but, regardless of how much fox wants to down play it. anyone paying attention knows that. and what other rights are you willing to give up? "jesus"

Kenny93101:

No we don't. There was a threat of the Native Americans and the British invading peoples home. There was no National Guard.


Oh, and if you knew anything about politics you would realize I am the most liberal person on QnA. Fox news is "C-O-N-S-E-R-V-I-T-I-V-E!"

Leese:

well "jesus" i think the people of new orleans as well as the majority of americans would disagree. and although im impressed that you can spell liberal and conservative, im wondering can you tell me their COMPLETE and actual definitions. without looking them up. as for politics? i would submit that most of what you think you know, is a illusion not representative of the facts and the reality. thanks so much for your thoughts, or lack of.......have a great day and God bless

Kenny93101:

If by majority you mean you, I agree. If you think ron paul is going to win, I doubt you know anything about politics.

Leese:

ill pray for you "jesus"

Ginger:

No I don't think the government should interfere with my right to bear arms. I want to keep my grenades, my howitzer, my M1 tank, and, of course, my little 5 kiloton atomic bomb. These are all types of armaments and the 2nd amaendment says I can have them.

Leese:

yes it does ginger, so why can the gov take them away again? thanks for the comment

Ginger:

Surely you do not really think that I should be able to have a tank and a nuclear bomb, do you?

Toodles:

you should as long as youre careful

Leese:

you should what?

MaggieD:

Our legislature, state and federal, has always had the power to tell us what rights we do and do not have, unfortunately. The fact that the right to bear arms was repealed in New Orleans doesn't make that special. In the city of Chicago, it is illegal to possess a firearm -- even in your home. We should all be donating to the NRA who does more than any other group to protect our rights in this area...or we're gonna' lose 'em.

The Posse Comitatis Act,to the best of my knowledge and what I've been able to surf, is still around: Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both". LOTS of exceptions: National Guard, the U.S. Military to quell domestic violence, The Insurrection Act, lots...

No, I think Posse Comitatis is pretty good just the way it is. I WANT the military to be able to step up when needed.

Leese:

so in the event of revolution, your ok with millitary murdering AMERICANS whoe are obligated to protact the constitution in the event a total dictatorship is imposed?

Leese:

the orrigional intent of the posse comitatis act, and our second ammendment go hand in hand , to understand this better, lets take a look at what actually happened in new orleans, shall we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

Leese:

is this "force without force", as stated?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwlUqO6tRlU

Leese:

listen to the lawyer speak

Leese:

and exactly why do we have a right to bear arms? i think this woman says it best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnTUCuZi86E

Leese:

thanks for the comments maggie, your a thinker, i like that about you, God bless

Leese:

i see the lawyer link did not post, lets try again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1EdC5y8EGU

MaggieD:

@ #1 -- In the event of revolution, I am content with the military's ability to PROTECT me. It would be impossible for a dictatorship to be imposed. We have far too many safeguards in place. Just before Nixon resigned, the armed forces had clandistine meetings to pre-plan what they would do if President Nixon, as Commander in Chief, tried to use the military to keep himself in the White House. They were ready. (Kinda' shows ya' where were at that point in history, doesn't it?) I also have a great deal of respect for our men in uniform and am confident they would not carry out orders that included killing innocent Americans. I'm sorry that you don't.
@#2 -- I watched 2/3 of the video you posted. Couple of things: first, this natural disaster was unparelled in American History. There were many mistakes made. Do I agree with confiscating guns from people's homes? No, I don't. And I hope the NRA (who posted that video, of course) will continue to fight for my right to bear arms. I donote to the NRA. I would ask, "Do you?" Confiscating the guns and Posse Comitatis have very little in common other than who's doing the confiscating. There were many policemen out there doing the same thing the National Guard was doing.
@ #3 & #4 -- Didn't see an attorney speaking on that news clip.

Remember, our "democracy" (republic) is just a 230-year experiment in the thousands of years of human history. We still have a lot to learn.

MaggieD:

We crossed posts with my lengthy diatribe! Watched the attorney. He was wrong. He was stupid. He was asking for a very serious incident to happen to him and his family. The mayor had a 1500-man police force for the entire city. Split in 12-hour days, that's 750 men on the street at any one time. Looting was rampant. Shootings were rampant. The city was out of control. He declared Marshal Law. He requested out-of-state help. That city was in danger of being over-run with lawlessness. It would have been just a matter of time, for instance, until that little old lady and her gun got her killed for the resources she had in her home. There are extraordinary circumstances here. (I like your Qs -- they do make me think and force me to put my thoughts "on paper." That's a good thing.) Keep up the good fight, my friend. I like your style.

Leese:

and for many of those who left their homes willingly and followed the "program", what happened to them? and how would you feel if this were you? interesting stuff here, please read
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

MaggieD:

Lots of horror stories, I'm sure. I started to read, but don't have the patience right now. I can tell you this. In times of crisis, sh$$ happens. That doesn't mean we scrap the whole system. I would turn this around, and ask you what would YOU have done? No Marshal Law -- no requesting outside assistance -- everybody has guns and everybody knows it -- looters get bolder and bolder -- now they're invading homes, looting them and killing the occupants -- I think they did this in medieval times, if I'm not mistaken. They called it "looting and pillaging."

Leese:

well i might suggest you go www.whitehouse.gov and familiarize yourself with the EO's posted their over the last eight years. when you do this, you will quickly lean that these "safeguards" you speak of no longer exist. if bush declares marshal law, and he now can do this without congressional approval, as well as suspend the constitution, congress becomes irrelevant. simply by posting a EO to the whitehouse website, it then becomes law. no authorization needed from congress, or anyone. you don't even need to be informed. but i encourage you to not take my word on the subject, as im sure you wont, but to research it for yourself. good luck and thanks for debate without insult, its how we find truth in america

Leese:

well as you seen in the video, these were good law abiding citizens, exercising their GUARANTEED right to possess these fire arms. criminals are not protected under the law. when you remove guns from law abiding citizens, then only the criminals have them don't they? lets look at the words echoed throughout history by our founding fathers have to tell us,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P49P6aZR7c

Leese:

i would further like to point out that you are saying that you support the removal of a law abiding citizen's right to choose for themselves, and the imposing of someone else's opinions on the individual. i think you need to read the whole article i provided in order to except it it for its magnitude, and then have empathy for those still in the camp, unable to leave.

Leese:

in reading through your comments maggie, i would like to answer in more detail your questions, the act of revoultion is to protect you from a corrupt government, and their use of millitary against you, to imply that i have a lck of respect for millitary and our fine men and woman in uniform, simply is not falr nor true. ive serverd, as many of my family have served. to say that the millitary would not carry out orders is ,well uninformed. you simply have 0 knowledge of black ops , you would be surprised. was not the video proof enough what the will do? watch again, listen to what they are saying. yes i do contribute to the NRA, that said, the NRA is not a branch og government. they decide nothing. they are as powerful as the micky mouse club in the prevention of the loss of arms as seen in katrina. to discredit us a a nation by calling us a expierment, has always been hard for me to swallow. the implications are scary. the lawer you call stupid was merley standing up for his rights, an those homes you seen getting doors busted down on were in neighboorhoods not fllooded , and the hel was not needed there, but many were left to die on roof tops that were in danger, this taking place in dry neighborhoods. things didnt look out of control in the neighborhoods inn those videos. whwould i have done? yes , no martial law. help those in need, not bust down doors of american citizens not in need of help, take their waepons leaving them defenseless, at gun point, creating property damage. outside help is always good in this situation. chicago? huge corruption, ran by the mob, not surprised. now only criminals have guns in chicago because good law abiding citizens cant, sound good? you say shootings were rampant. yah, by criminals. the millitary busted down doors of civillians, took their weapons, leaving them defenseless. it sounds like when they come and bust down your door, and attempt to haul you away to a camp, youll be ok with it? automatic weapons

MaggieD:

If I gave you the impression, or you thought I implied anything about you having lack of respect for the military, I apologize. That wasn't my intent. Re the NRA, my point in bringing them up was only that they are probably "our" only voice for the right to bear arms. I know they have no powerother than that. I've been called a PollyAnna before in my trust of the military and our government, so I understand your black ops comment. I do tend to have more faith in our soldiers than many people do. And I could be dead wrong...."dead" wrong! I still think the lawyer was stupid. And I'll tell you why....when people with authority and automatic weapons come to take your weapons away, you give them to them. Fighting for your rights on the street is stupid. Fight in court. On the street, one is quite likely to lose. (Like, if you're being unjustly arrested by a cop on the street, you don't fight it there, know what I mean?) I agree with you that taking guns from law-abiding citizens in a situation like that is wrong. That little old lady standing in her home with a gun in her hand who was beat down by the authorities was a shame and over-reaction. The men involved in that incident should be ashamed of themselves. Having said that, if one of them had been shot by accident, that would have been even more of a shame. Re Chicago, I agree that "mostly" only criminals have guns -- which is usually the case anywhere. I know plenty in the city who disregard the law, of course, feeling they'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I absolutely agree with you that lots of mistakes were make in New Orleans. We're on the same page pretty much. I would hope (haha) that the whole "campaign" if you will is being reviewed so that the next time (and you know there'll be a next time) those same mistakes aren't made. You are soooo right when you say, "What if it's you next time." I have pets. If they couldn't go with,

MaggieD:

I stand soooo corrected: Kent State: The shootings killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Schroeder, were walking from one class to the next. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter. Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet (22 m) to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet (81 m) away.

Thought you'd be interested...also see the Q I put up this morning: http://qna.live.com/ShowQuestion.aspx?qid=D01F21069DC044FABC5D0677DFE6​B91F

Leese:

i love you maggie d!!! i honestly know that a lot of what i say is very hard to digest. trust me, ive been doing what i do for some time. its a real up hill battle. as for trying to work everything out in court, one must consider whose pocket the court is in and who has jurisdiction over the court. are you familure with all those federal justice judges fired recently? do you know why they were fired ? do you know who was behind them being fired? what would have happened if the civil war didnt take place ? what if there was no revolution, but rather they would have said, ya know, lets settle this in court, your court? well i submit that we would have a much less free AMERICA today. i love ya to death!! ill be reading your qna later today, i read yours everyday.....secretly....oops....not a secret anymore

Tara-huitson:

You just made my day!! Thank you! Your Questions are very interesting to me -- because you do leave it for people to do their own research....I like that. You have a real uphill battle, my friend. I admire that you just keep on keepin' on. As Americans, in my opinion, we must always be vigilant, as they say, and always be skeptical. And for every one of us who is complacent, I would hope there would be one of you...though I know that isn't true.

Jim:

We need the right to bear arms-
If we don't, ruling this land would be as easy as shooting someone from a belltower.
If we don't have the ways and means to fire back, the shooter is our new king!

Leese:

couldnt have said it better sully

Jms:

My God, someone SLAP me up side the head, He isn't using CAPS !

Ron, IMHO, I think your an INSTIGATOR !

Politics has no RIGHT whatsoever to infringe on my rights as a HUMAN BEING !

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